A deep dive into an "up and coming" team's stats reveals flags, dropped passes and a run defense so bad that it forces a narrative U-turn back to the 1987 replacement games.
I did not expect Guy Fieri in a Panthers' column, but I will take it. My "what skill are you going to learn during COVID" wound up being cooking, and I didn't even discover Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives until like a year ago. I have a lot of content to watch from a fellow loud mouthed Raiders fan.
This is the most perfect description of him. In fact, I’m now going to use ______ McAfee to describe anyone that I find loud, annoying & dumb. As always, well done, Mike!
The Panthers can be a surprise 8-9 win team if a lot of question marks are answered in the positive and if the Saints suck (likely), the Falcons struggle (who knows?) and the Bucs take a step back (maybe?). That's a lot of cards falling your way to get to 8-9 wins. I like UNDER 6.5 wins at +120. Not sure where 7 wins are coming from.
I could read 1987 strike season articles all day long. Especially as it pertains to strikebreakers. It's funny that two teams that had big stars break the picket line (Dallas and SF) didn't benefit down the line.
Yes, of course. I said I found the ordeal interesting. I didn’t opine one way or another on the labor dispute itself. I thought it was interesting that a couple of Big Name teams that had stars break lines and it didn’t make that much of a difference in their TEAMsS’ outcome. I didn’t mean the labor dispute outcome. I guess I wasn’t clear about that.
Jets, Saints, Bears, Patriots, Browns, Giants, Cowboys, now Panthers... who's left to skewer? Titans are too boring. Please don't do AZ. I don't want to read anything about them.
I am optimistic that this team will take a step forward this season. All the way up to, say, ~7 wins. As long as Bryce's improvement wasn't an illusion. One of the biggest differences between last year and the years before was that Tepper stopped being a story. I don't think it is coincidence that the team looked better after he shut his yap (publicly, at least)
I suspect that was more Effect-and-Cause than Cause-and-Effect. And do Yapper (Managing Partner) Owners ever learn to keep keeping their yap shut for long? I suspect not, given that that's part of the incentive in buying (51% of) a team in the first place. But I would welcome counter examples from any of you TDZers.
There's always Jeffrey Lurie. Just supportive and doesn't meddle until he had to. After Doug Pederson's Eagles totally fell apart in every way; his end year meeting solution was: Keep everybody on staff and stay the course. And we see, Pederson kinda lost it after losing 2017 staff. The offenses since 2018 lack attention to detail. We still dont know if Trevor Lawrence is any good when he was such a lock like Andrew Luck level.
Im dealing with NYC teams it sucks, they're both suddenly proactive morons.
The Bad owners are Billionaire right wingers convinced of innate superiority of being born rich. Anyone who works in football is a stupid pleb who if they had any brains would be rich too, born into it, at all the fancy country clubs not wasting their lives working for real genius fortune heirs. Therefore they must be ignored and overridden as often as possible.
No, I was wondering if any owners who started off as Yappers a la Tepper (Jerry Jones being the quintessential Yapper Owner) ever actually got over their own selves and transitioned into the background. Not that I can think of, but maybe some did and that's why I can't think of them now.
I heard that it takes players about three years to fully grasp a system. The Panthers seem to change coaches every year. Could that be the cause of some of inconsistent play for some of the players that you mentioned? Do you think Canales will be the one straighten things out there?
Although "It'll take 3 years for the players to fully grasp my system" is great job security if you can get an owner to buy in.
I think there is value to continuity and to veterans spending the off-season working on a system they already know, rather than learning a new one. But the system has to be something you can teach newcomers and replacement players to execute during the season.
The "3 years" thing is from decades ago, when college draftees ran the single wing and coaches could keep guys forever. HOWEVER, it can take a few years for the scouting, coaching and cap departments to all get their crap together, and they never get the chance when everyone is getting fired.
The new version of this is the coach ranting in year 2 about how the culture was so bad when he arrived that he is still trying to sprinkle Magical Winner Dust everywhere.
"The new version of this is the coach ranting in year 2 about how the culture was so bad when he arrived that he is still trying to sprinkle Magical Winner Dust everywhere."
You know Matt Patricia is off destroying my Buckeyes. Hes about to ruin HC Ryan Day's reputation after a natty. I had to teach buckeye fans about the last 7 years. The spring game was awesome, I guess if u hate Ohio state....Or maybe just thought it was offense clinic. Everyone wide open right down the middle, to the sidelines, everywhere. He cant teach communication for shit. I imagine it was all screamfests at "stupid dumb ass stupid players that should be outta here." Maybe called them gay for good measure or something.
Yeah but Joe Judge is the Patron Saint of the Coach rant in Dec of Year 2 ranting his ass off about culture culture culture and how its already heading in right direction. Where an Off HC calls 2 QB sneaks at their own 3 yard line for punt space instead of attempting actually moving the ball. THATS great culture man, wow, we really showed them our grit and teamwork with that surrender flag.
It takes TWO years to peak a new system. But it SHOULD be functional by year 1. If its not? FIne. Roster might be really bad. Year 2? System sucks or roster sucks, or system won't adapt to roster strengths. Look at how McVay takes 4-12 2016 Rams and 2017 Rams work on O AND D. 2018 NFC Champs.
This is exactly the read I needed today. Im in hospital since yesterday morning and doing fine. The crazy story is on FB Im Roo Mal there. With all the love me around it took 12 hours to finish this piece. Finally got some alone time 7:42pm EST soon to be discharged.
Mike why you love trashing Falcons? Its like punching down at the slow kid. They gave us lots fun in 1990s and 2016 reg season at least. Falcons nation is cool too, Atlanta has black power vibes. Its like the opposite of GA Bulldog nation which 3yearletterman lampoons for years.
I did not expect Guy Fieri in a Panthers' column, but I will take it. My "what skill are you going to learn during COVID" wound up being cooking, and I didn't even discover Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives until like a year ago. I have a lot of content to watch from a fellow loud mouthed Raiders fan.
I am glad you like Fieri. He seems like Food McAfee to me.
This is the most perfect description of him. In fact, I’m now going to use ______ McAfee to describe anyone that I find loud, annoying & dumb. As always, well done, Mike!
6-foot-3 and 229* is tiny for an EDGE. Maybe we can get him around 240 and he can be one of those fastballs Andy Reid likes.
The Panthers can be a surprise 8-9 win team if a lot of question marks are answered in the positive and if the Saints suck (likely), the Falcons struggle (who knows?) and the Bucs take a step back (maybe?). That's a lot of cards falling your way to get to 8-9 wins. I like UNDER 6.5 wins at +120. Not sure where 7 wins are coming from.
I could read 1987 strike season articles all day long. Especially as it pertains to strikebreakers. It's funny that two teams that had big stars break the picket line (Dallas and SF) didn't benefit down the line.
Could be team chemistry. You fucking fuckers are the reason we got no free agency and make 10% what owners make.
Uh, wut?
Why all 87 teams that had picket crossers failed ? Did u know players had no right to go elsewhere ?
Yes, of course. I said I found the ordeal interesting. I didn’t opine one way or another on the labor dispute itself. I thought it was interesting that a couple of Big Name teams that had stars break lines and it didn’t make that much of a difference in their TEAMsS’ outcome. I didn’t mean the labor dispute outcome. I guess I wasn’t clear about that.
I said: The teams with solidarity did a lot better then the teams that didnt. Because those picket crossers made ownership win
I don't disagree at all. All I said was I found it INTERESTING. I didn't pick a side. You started in with the unnecessary attitude and name calling.
You are great at tearing teams a new a**hole. Can you do the Jets next?
I have been doing the Jets for eight years. This is my year off!
Jets, Saints, Bears, Patriots, Browns, Giants, Cowboys, now Panthers... who's left to skewer? Titans are too boring. Please don't do AZ. I don't want to read anything about them.
I am optimistic that this team will take a step forward this season. All the way up to, say, ~7 wins. As long as Bryce's improvement wasn't an illusion. One of the biggest differences between last year and the years before was that Tepper stopped being a story. I don't think it is coincidence that the team looked better after he shut his yap (publicly, at least)
I suspect that was more Effect-and-Cause than Cause-and-Effect. And do Yapper (Managing Partner) Owners ever learn to keep keeping their yap shut for long? I suspect not, given that that's part of the incentive in buying (51% of) a team in the first place. But I would welcome counter examples from any of you TDZers.
There's always Jeffrey Lurie. Just supportive and doesn't meddle until he had to. After Doug Pederson's Eagles totally fell apart in every way; his end year meeting solution was: Keep everybody on staff and stay the course. And we see, Pederson kinda lost it after losing 2017 staff. The offenses since 2018 lack attention to detail. We still dont know if Trevor Lawrence is any good when he was such a lock like Andrew Luck level.
Im dealing with NYC teams it sucks, they're both suddenly proactive morons.
The Bad owners are Billionaire right wingers convinced of innate superiority of being born rich. Anyone who works in football is a stupid pleb who if they had any brains would be rich too, born into it, at all the fancy country clubs not wasting their lives working for real genius fortune heirs. Therefore they must be ignored and overridden as often as possible.
No, I was wondering if any owners who started off as Yappers a la Tepper (Jerry Jones being the quintessential Yapper Owner) ever actually got over their own selves and transitioned into the background. Not that I can think of, but maybe some did and that's why I can't think of them now.
I heard that it takes players about three years to fully grasp a system. The Panthers seem to change coaches every year. Could that be the cause of some of inconsistent play for some of the players that you mentioned? Do you think Canales will be the one straighten things out there?
Any 'System' that takes 3 years to fully grasp is one heckuva lousy system. And in the N(Not) F(For) L(Long), unworkable.
Although "It'll take 3 years for the players to fully grasp my system" is great job security if you can get an owner to buy in.
I think there is value to continuity and to veterans spending the off-season working on a system they already know, rather than learning a new one. But the system has to be something you can teach newcomers and replacement players to execute during the season.
The "3 years" thing is from decades ago, when college draftees ran the single wing and coaches could keep guys forever. HOWEVER, it can take a few years for the scouting, coaching and cap departments to all get their crap together, and they never get the chance when everyone is getting fired.
The new version of this is the coach ranting in year 2 about how the culture was so bad when he arrived that he is still trying to sprinkle Magical Winner Dust everywhere.
"The new version of this is the coach ranting in year 2 about how the culture was so bad when he arrived that he is still trying to sprinkle Magical Winner Dust everywhere."
Bah Gawd, that's Matt Patricia's music!
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/matt-patricia-there-was-a-lot-of-work-to-do-when-i-got-here-were-trying-to-do-it#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%20just%20lost%20to%20the,we%27re%20trying%20to%20do.
You know Matt Patricia is off destroying my Buckeyes. Hes about to ruin HC Ryan Day's reputation after a natty. I had to teach buckeye fans about the last 7 years. The spring game was awesome, I guess if u hate Ohio state....Or maybe just thought it was offense clinic. Everyone wide open right down the middle, to the sidelines, everywhere. He cant teach communication for shit. I imagine it was all screamfests at "stupid dumb ass stupid players that should be outta here." Maybe called them gay for good measure or something.
Oh well, can't be playoffs every year.
Ohio State deserves Matt Patricia. (Michigan, Class of 82)
Yeah but Joe Judge is the Patron Saint of the Coach rant in Dec of Year 2 ranting his ass off about culture culture culture and how its already heading in right direction. Where an Off HC calls 2 QB sneaks at their own 3 yard line for punt space instead of attempting actually moving the ball. THATS great culture man, wow, we really showed them our grit and teamwork with that surrender flag.
"Although "It'll take 3 years for the players to fully grasp my system" is great job security if you can get an owner to buy in."
This was literally Matt Rhule's sales pitch and he still got fired in Year 3.
It takes TWO years to peak a new system. But it SHOULD be functional by year 1. If its not? FIne. Roster might be really bad. Year 2? System sucks or roster sucks, or system won't adapt to roster strengths. Look at how McVay takes 4-12 2016 Rams and 2017 Rams work on O AND D. 2018 NFC Champs.
Excellent! Thank you.
This is exactly the read I needed today. Im in hospital since yesterday morning and doing fine. The crazy story is on FB Im Roo Mal there. With all the love me around it took 12 hours to finish this piece. Finally got some alone time 7:42pm EST soon to be discharged.
Mike why you love trashing Falcons? Its like punching down at the slow kid. They gave us lots fun in 1990s and 2016 reg season at least. Falcons nation is cool too, Atlanta has black power vibes. Its like the opposite of GA Bulldog nation which 3yearletterman lampoons for years.