I don’t really care about the gambling aspect of the stuff, but with this criteria, they can just name the comeback player of the year award the JK Dobbins Memorial award since he is coming back from injury every year
Cousins and Rodgers aren't coming back from anything. Neither is playing any better than they were before their injuries. "Player who missed some time but is back on the field and playing only a little worse because he's a little older" is a crap idea for an award. WTF is the league/AP thinking?
Darnold is the clear and obvious leader for Comeback Player of the Year as of mid-October. By mid-December, who knows? Maaddi should either shut up or distribute a list of "here are the players that are eligible for this award". Then the voters should ignore him, either way.
Also, if the league has their knickers in a knot about Hamlin, there's nothing preventing them from creating a new "Guy almost died making us all fabulously rich, but look, he's still breathing! Football is great" award. (The GADMUAFRBLHSBFIG award, for short.)
The Raiders' third round pick becomes a second round pick if Davante Adams is first or second team all-pro and/or on the Jets roster for the AFC Championship Game or Superbowl.
It becomes a first round pick if he parts the Red Sea and brings in Keyser Söze.
(So much to unpack. Had to look up Ex Cathedra...got my Catholic wife to admit she didn't have the definition right...thank you Mike)
Anyway, Hamlin might have won the comeback award last year if he actually played meaningful snaps. The reason he didn't is because he's a pretty poor (average at best?) safety. Last year they had the aging Hyde and Poyer - though Hyde was still pretty good. Hamlin seems like a good human being and I give him much respect for coming back from that physically and mentally, but the Bills need an upgrade at that position IMO.
Adams will help the Jets but Rodgers seems particularly uninterested in taking hits and is approaching Bledsoiean levels of mobility. Their defense is leaking fluid as well. So I don't know...
I always thought the “comeback” in CPOY was either coming back from injury and/or a poor season. One would think the whole purpose of “coming back” is a return to being a good to great player
These MYP conversations are absolutely a direct correlation to the gambling websites. Nobody talked MVP until it was late in the season until the past few years. I also find these discussions exhausting.
Yes, I also have friends in my life who thought Siranni should have been fired after Sundays win.
I think we will all sort of miss the Aaron Rodgers content machine when he’s gone…..
I think Ken gets it right: a “comeback” implies that the player was good, became bad for reasons beyond his control and then ‘came back’ to playing well. By that standard, Darnold doesn’t qualify: he was never good before. Likewise Hamlin: he was a marginal player until this year.
A player who OUGHT to qualify (if he played well this year, which so far he has not) would be Mike’s favorite QB, Deshaun Watson, who we all understand will never win that or any other voted prize no matter how well he plays. I expect that something like 90% of the CPOY voters have already sworn a silent oath they they’ll never vote for Watson for anything. And I don’t blame them.
Good point on Darnold….as I was writing my comment I did realize Darnold was never really good before, so no I don’t think I would consider this a comeback.
Mentioned this before….but maybe the NBA is doing it right with the Most Improved Player. They got rid of CPOY after one too many players won it after coming back from a drug problem (which, if you think about it, is a legitimate comeback). Darnold and Hamlin definitely would be in consideration for a Most Improved Player award.
Geno Smith/Ryan Tannehill/Jon Kitna/Tommy Maddox/Doug Flutie all won CPOY without having played to a high standard before (or overcoming injury). They just "came back" from being bad qbs.
I am probably just in a mood about my Darnold prop's diminishing chances.
I think "comeback" can mean a comeback after failing to achieve lofty expectations. Many of the players listed above did just that. And Tannehill was a good QB! It's not like Pennington was an MVP candidate before and betwixt injuries.
But yes, all of this conversation is betting market driven. Which is why I made this a "PropWatch" technically. And why it is weird that the NFL got so hung up on criticism about Hamlin.
So if you’re a first-rounder, suck for a while and then get good it’s a “comeback” but if you’re an UDFA, suck for a while and then get good it’s NOT a “comeback”?
In baseball here is the wording: The Comeback Player of the Year Awards are presented annually to one player in each league who has re-emerged on the field during the season.
What’s interesting is that it’s been an official MLB award since 2005. The Sporting News used to have this award from the 1960s onward and had identical wording except adding after “re-emerged” as a star. From my childhood, I think I just have “the star” part ingrained in my head. Football of course is different in many ways. I get the lofty expectations idea….seems fair that a top drafted QB who struggled, finally got it together. But if you put the truth serum in me my opinion is it’s not a true comeback. Someone like (sigh) Aaron Rodgers, who if he plays decently this year, would be a more likely CPOY than Sam Darnold
Jordan Love and his no name WRs and 12 touchdowns? Or Baker Mayfield with Godwin in a contract year & HOFer Evans & 17 TDs? Don’t ask the Eagle fan 😉
Also, Adam Gase cripples quarterbacks you say? Hey who was Tebow’s QB coach the year he won a playoff game? Oh hai Adam Gase. It’s ok, the Broncos, Jets, Eagles, Patriots, & Jaguars are all doing great! ☺️
Wow, lots of Mafia shade in this one. ;) You could make an argument for Damar's mental health last year being something to come back from, but the man himself dismisses that. Also, clearly written before the Cooper trade, which has to lower the Jets' odds of winning the AFCE, I would imagine.
Having said that, I agree the Darnold's career mismangement should make him eligible, but we need to make sure Rodgers wins some kind of award this year, I guess, and it ain't gonna be MVP unless the Adams trade makes a much bigger difference than is immediately apparent.
More impactful maybe, but much more? Adams is only a year older, and has at least four seasons (and probably five) that are better than Cooper’s best year. Amari has always seemed closer to the #2 guys than the elites.
Can Rodgers still get Adams the ball, though? Because Allen will find Cooper, that’s for sure.
Much more impactful because the Bills' WR room is their biggest weakness, whereas for the Jets' the WR position isn't really a weakness. So I see the two trades as the Bills addressing a position of need, which should be transformational in terms of what plays they can run on offense, whereas for the Jets the trade should make them a little better at what they're already okay at.
I agree with you that Adams versus Cooper as players right now, I've no idea whose better. Probably Adams if his head is in the right place, but that "if" is carrying a heavy load.
I don’t really care about the gambling aspect of the stuff, but with this criteria, they can just name the comeback player of the year award the JK Dobbins Memorial award since he is coming back from injury every year
Cousins and Rodgers aren't coming back from anything. Neither is playing any better than they were before their injuries. "Player who missed some time but is back on the field and playing only a little worse because he's a little older" is a crap idea for an award. WTF is the league/AP thinking?
Darnold is the clear and obvious leader for Comeback Player of the Year as of mid-October. By mid-December, who knows? Maaddi should either shut up or distribute a list of "here are the players that are eligible for this award". Then the voters should ignore him, either way.
Also, if the league has their knickers in a knot about Hamlin, there's nothing preventing them from creating a new "Guy almost died making us all fabulously rich, but look, he's still breathing! Football is great" award. (The GADMUAFRBLHSBFIG award, for short.)
GADMUAFRBLHSBFIG-OTY
The Raiders' third round pick becomes a second round pick if Davante Adams is first or second team all-pro and/or on the Jets roster for the AFC Championship Game or Superbowl.
It becomes a first round pick if he parts the Red Sea and brings in Keyser Söze.
(So much to unpack. Had to look up Ex Cathedra...got my Catholic wife to admit she didn't have the definition right...thank you Mike)
Anyway, Hamlin might have won the comeback award last year if he actually played meaningful snaps. The reason he didn't is because he's a pretty poor (average at best?) safety. Last year they had the aging Hyde and Poyer - though Hyde was still pretty good. Hamlin seems like a good human being and I give him much respect for coming back from that physically and mentally, but the Bills need an upgrade at that position IMO.
Adams will help the Jets but Rodgers seems particularly uninterested in taking hits and is approaching Bledsoiean levels of mobility. Their defense is leaking fluid as well. So I don't know...
If you're betting on CPOY, it's probably time to start having some tough conversations with yourself about your gambling habits.
So many thoughts…..
I always thought the “comeback” in CPOY was either coming back from injury and/or a poor season. One would think the whole purpose of “coming back” is a return to being a good to great player
These MYP conversations are absolutely a direct correlation to the gambling websites. Nobody talked MVP until it was late in the season until the past few years. I also find these discussions exhausting.
Yes, I also have friends in my life who thought Siranni should have been fired after Sundays win.
I think we will all sort of miss the Aaron Rodgers content machine when he’s gone…..
I think Ken gets it right: a “comeback” implies that the player was good, became bad for reasons beyond his control and then ‘came back’ to playing well. By that standard, Darnold doesn’t qualify: he was never good before. Likewise Hamlin: he was a marginal player until this year.
A player who OUGHT to qualify (if he played well this year, which so far he has not) would be Mike’s favorite QB, Deshaun Watson, who we all understand will never win that or any other voted prize no matter how well he plays. I expect that something like 90% of the CPOY voters have already sworn a silent oath they they’ll never vote for Watson for anything. And I don’t blame them.
Good point on Darnold….as I was writing my comment I did realize Darnold was never really good before, so no I don’t think I would consider this a comeback.
Mentioned this before….but maybe the NBA is doing it right with the Most Improved Player. They got rid of CPOY after one too many players won it after coming back from a drug problem (which, if you think about it, is a legitimate comeback). Darnold and Hamlin definitely would be in consideration for a Most Improved Player award.
Geno Smith/Ryan Tannehill/Jon Kitna/Tommy Maddox/Doug Flutie all won CPOY without having played to a high standard before (or overcoming injury). They just "came back" from being bad qbs.
I am probably just in a mood about my Darnold prop's diminishing chances.
I think "comeback" can mean a comeback after failing to achieve lofty expectations. Many of the players listed above did just that. And Tannehill was a good QB! It's not like Pennington was an MVP candidate before and betwixt injuries.
But yes, all of this conversation is betting market driven. Which is why I made this a "PropWatch" technically. And why it is weird that the NFL got so hung up on criticism about Hamlin.
So if you’re a first-rounder, suck for a while and then get good it’s a “comeback” but if you’re an UDFA, suck for a while and then get good it’s NOT a “comeback”?
UDFA, suck for a while then get good is basically 2003 CPOY Jon Kitna's career.
Apart maybe from the "get good" part.
In baseball here is the wording: The Comeback Player of the Year Awards are presented annually to one player in each league who has re-emerged on the field during the season.
What’s interesting is that it’s been an official MLB award since 2005. The Sporting News used to have this award from the 1960s onward and had identical wording except adding after “re-emerged” as a star. From my childhood, I think I just have “the star” part ingrained in my head. Football of course is different in many ways. I get the lofty expectations idea….seems fair that a top drafted QB who struggled, finally got it together. But if you put the truth serum in me my opinion is it’s not a true comeback. Someone like (sigh) Aaron Rodgers, who if he plays decently this year, would be a more likely CPOY than Sam Darnold
Jordan Love and his no name WRs and 12 touchdowns? Or Baker Mayfield with Godwin in a contract year & HOFer Evans & 17 TDs? Don’t ask the Eagle fan 😉
Also, Adam Gase cripples quarterbacks you say? Hey who was Tebow’s QB coach the year he won a playoff game? Oh hai Adam Gase. It’s ok, the Broncos, Jets, Eagles, Patriots, & Jaguars are all doing great! ☺️
Wow, lots of Mafia shade in this one. ;) You could make an argument for Damar's mental health last year being something to come back from, but the man himself dismisses that. Also, clearly written before the Cooper trade, which has to lower the Jets' odds of winning the AFCE, I would imagine.
Having said that, I agree the Darnold's career mismangement should make him eligible, but we need to make sure Rodgers wins some kind of award this year, I guess, and it ain't gonna be MVP unless the Adams trade makes a much bigger difference than is immediately apparent.
Agreed. Cooper to Bills much more impactful than Adams to Jets.
More impactful maybe, but much more? Adams is only a year older, and has at least four seasons (and probably five) that are better than Cooper’s best year. Amari has always seemed closer to the #2 guys than the elites.
Can Rodgers still get Adams the ball, though? Because Allen will find Cooper, that’s for sure.
Much more impactful because the Bills' WR room is their biggest weakness, whereas for the Jets' the WR position isn't really a weakness. So I see the two trades as the Bills addressing a position of need, which should be transformational in terms of what plays they can run on offense, whereas for the Jets the trade should make them a little better at what they're already okay at.
I agree with you that Adams versus Cooper as players right now, I've no idea whose better. Probably Adams if his head is in the right place, but that "if" is carrying a heavy load.